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I also see a trend in this as the Afrocentrists are completely on on side of this and the people who pride themselves in being native (separists)are completely on the other side. They feel as if Olmecs were truely african it somehow takes away from their accomplishments which I believe shouldn't be. It sort of reminds me of the Afrocentric person who finds out they have a few ancestors who were white and they just can't deal with it(as in their minds it makes them less black affecting their afrocentric pride). No matter what the case is, it is still our accomplishments and we should be open to just learning the truth. It would simply mean that we also have roots with another great people. Therefore I am not completely to one side or the other on this. I keep an open ear to both sides of the debate without being bias for personal reasons.
if the olmecs were black then that wouldnt be our acomplishments...we cant call BLACK CIVILISATION our acomplishment..
What is thought of the olmec skeletal site where it was evidenced that they were analogous to the west african skeletons?
they found skeletons SIMILAR but not EXACTLY black..
these bones were later found,with further study beyond the "naked eye" to be indiginous and not black...
this same thing happened with kennewick man...
where at first glance there were only SIMILARITIES....
further study concludes the bones were eurasian or ainu..
meaning..NOT CAUCASIOD..
Also I believe reading about pottery and simiar patterns/designs to those of west africa.
listen to what you are saying.."SIMILAR"...
you can find similarities all over the world...
basic design patterns,basic instruments,basic engineering,the basic use of body armor and cutting weapons,the basic structure of boats and on and on..
you cant say holding a stick with a blade attached to it is uniqe combat engineering..its basic primitive self defense...
the structure of the sword and sword/sheild combination is found all throughout the world....
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if the olmecs were black then that wouldnt be our acomplishments...we cant call BLACK CIVILISATION our acomplishment..
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The olmec civilizations influenced others right? Therefore the foundation could have been BLACK CIVILIZATION but the acomplishments were still OURS. Obviously these people didn't stay black right?. Just like we didn't stay 100% indigenous but would like to credit ourselves with our ancestors achievements. You might not be understanding my point. Many of us were raised in this Mestizo Ideology, Raza Ideology etc. Proud to be 1/2 and 1/2. It was only when we discovered how great of a civilization we had that all of a sudden we pride ourselves in being indigenous and just threw out the other so called 1/2!. Wether our ancestor lineage came from Asia (so called amerinidian) or wherever we credit the last known people for the accomplishments not the previous. We dont say yes so I'm asian or yes we have to credit asians for that. We became a different people which is us! Same thing with the olmecs. If they were black who cares?...that was only one people out of so many that eventually mixed with others correct? Similar idea to the fact that there were so many Africans as slaves brought through and to Mexico (pre-columbus obviously) Where are they now? Did they simply assimilate until they weren't visible among Mexicans? In that case also Mexican accomplishments and history became MEXICAN accomplishments and nothing was taken away if these were made by decsendants of black slaves (even tho there is vast history there). You are reinforcing my statement, it is those at opposite ends who stand firm on their opinions for personal interests. If the olmecs were black this group just resulted in our existence today just as the mixtures of other peoples in us, you accept it and move on. It doesn't take away from our idigenous pride. The olmecs originally black or not became just another indigenous group and their descendants suffered the same fate as the other groups point blank.
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listen to what you are saying.."SIMILAR"...
you can find similarities all over the world...
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Yes and listen to what I'm saying now. Similarities can definately originate from the same source. Don't have to be a genius to figure that one out. Phenotypes of indigenous groups in the Americas were SIMILAR enough for us to identify them as such but different from each other also. All originating from the same? Same thing with Africans so many similarities and yes originating from the same. Languages, Portugese, Spanish, , Italian, Castillian all SIMILAR originating from the same? you get the idea. Even pottery from two people WITHIN the same group is going to be SIMILAR and not exactly alike! So african pottery and pottery in the Americas found during different times CAN be linked. Anyone can see that. My family from Puebla makes Mexican bread one way, while my family from same state but different pueblo make the same bread completely different! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
This sculpture they always wanna say has african features is actually a sculpture of a face of a baby. Olmec society cherished it's children and constructed this sculpture. Look at a face of a baby and yes they're gonna have wider noses and thicker lips than adults. Look at that sculpture it clearly looks like the face of a baby not because they were africans. That whole Olmecs were Africans claim is a joke.
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A race of Michael Jackson type people? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
Absurd! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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So puerto ricans, cubans, panamanians, dominicans are absurd? Native indigenous roots and not all killed off as previously assumed, mixed with black slaves and their masters to become a mixture of these ancestors is absurd and can't happen?
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This sculpture they always wanna say has african features is actually a sculpture of a face of a baby. Olmec society cherished it's children and constructed this sculpture. Look at a face of a baby and yes they're gonna have wider noses and thicker lips than adults. Look at that sculpture it clearly looks like the face of a baby not because they were africans. That whole Olmecs were Africans claim is a joke.
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Interesting, this theory I don't believe I had heard yet. Thanks for the info. I guess I'll just wait until someone tries to disprove that theory. (Either way I know I come from a great people, point blank end of story, whether black or brown! or both!)
Yeah, I don't think it's likely that Africans would have found Mexico that long ago. Olmec civilization began about 3,000 years ago. At the time, civilizations were just beginning around the world. Tell me, if people in China were barely shifting from a migratory lifestyle into an agrarian one, what makes you think people would be crossing the oceans by that time? Most people had barely started using simple tools at the time and were more concerned with surviving than exploring.
Yeah, I don't think it's likely that Africans would have found Mexico that long ago. Olmec civilization began about 3,000 years ago. At the time, civilizations were just beginning around the world. Tell me, if people in China were barely shifting from a migratory lifestyle into an agrarian one, what makes you think people would be crossing the oceans by that time? Most people had barely started using simple tools at the time and were more concerned with surviving than exploring.
UNBELIEVER!!!! How dare you question the Afrocentrics. They had hovercrafts and could shoot lightning bolts out of their butts and piss wines HOW DARE YOU DENY THEIR GODLINESS!!!
We are not arrogant enough to believe we are all powerful and we are willing to learn and adapt. When we came to America we willing adopted some of the beliefs of the people living their if the beliefs were the best thing for our people.
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