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Old 02-06-2008, 02:32 PM   #21
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i think the whole aspect of time and the different cultures that use a variety of ways to calculate times are all wrong. its our own perception of what year, day, month we are all in..
our time span with the universe is off ...
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If modern science verifies astrology from the past, then they must be right.
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If modern science verifies astrology from the past, then they must be right.
thats true.. i dont think th stars will lie..
lookin at stars is like crunchin numbers.
i feel good about believin fact, rather a grip of stories handed down
for decades. w/e
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Old 02-08-2008, 05:32 AM   #24
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thats true.. i dont think th stars will lie..
lookin at stars is like crunchin numbers.
i feel good about believin fact, rather a grip of stories handed down
for decades.
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One might argue thats what religion is
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Comment: Not sure about you, but I'm getting tired of the 2012 bs. Even though I have posted some things to disprove it (especially on soy), there's those idiots that still believe in it (doubt anyone reads what I post. LOL.).

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...2_N.htm?csp=34

Does Maya calendar predict 2012 apocalypse?

By G. Jeffrey MacDonald, Special to USA TODAY
With humanity coming up fast on 2012, publishers are helping readers gear up and count down to this mysterious — some even call it apocalyptic — date that ancient Mayan societies were anticipating thousands of years ago.

Since November, at least three new books on 2012 have arrived in mainstream bookstores. A fourth is due this fall. Each arrives in the wake of the 2006 success of 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, which has been selling thousands of copies a month since its release in May and counts more than 40,000 in print. The books also build on popular interest in the Maya, fueled in part by Mel Gibson's December 2006 film about Mayan civilization, Apocalpyto.

Authors disagree about what humankind should expect on Dec. 21, 2012, when the Maya's "Long Count" calendar marks the end of a 5,126-year era.

Journalist Lawrence Joseph forecasts widespread catastrophe in Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End. Spiritual healer Andrew Smith predicts a restoration of a "true balance between Divine Feminine and Masculine" in The Revolution of 2012: Vol. 1, The Preparation. In 2012, Daniel Pinchbeck anticipates a "change in the nature of consciousness," assisted by indigenous insights and psychedelic drug use.

The buildup to 2012 echoes excitement and fear expressed on the eve of the new millennium, popularly known as Y2K, though on a smaller scale, says Lynn Garrett, senior religion editor at Publishers Weekly. She says publishers seem to be courting readers who believe humanity is creating its own ecological disasters and desperately needs ancient indigenous wisdom.

"The convergence I see here is the apocalyptic expectations, if you will, along with the fact that the environment is in the front of many people's minds these days," Garrett says. "Part of the appeal of these earth religions is that notion that we need to reconnect with the Earth in order to save ourselves."

But scholars are bristling at attempts to link the ancient Maya with trends in contemporary spirituality. Maya civilization, known for advanced writing, mathematics and astronomy, flourished for centuries in Mesoamerica, especially between A.D. 300 and 900. Its Long Count calendar, which was discontinued under Spanish colonization, tracks more than 5,000 years, then resets at year zero.

"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time," Joseph writes.

But scholars doubt the ancient Maya extrapolated great meaning from anticipating the alignment — if they were even aware of what the configuration would be.

Astronomers generally agree that "it would be impossible the Maya themselves would have known that," says Susan Milbrath, a Maya archaeoastronomer and a curator at the Florida Museum of Natural History. What's more, she says, "we have no record or knowledge that they would think the world would come to an end at that point."

University of Florida anthropologist Susan Gillespie says the 2012 phenomenon comes "from media and from other people making use of the Maya past to fulfill agendas that are really their own."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Arg%C3%BCelles

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man i hate ppl that think they know the science but can't break down the math right, the mayans never said that was the end date, if you really dig some diggin' into knowledge u see why the mayan chose that date.
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Comment: Not sure about you, but I'm getting tired of the 2012 bs. Even though I have posted some things to disprove it (especially on soy), there's those idiots that still believe in it (doubt anyone reads what I post. LOL.).

You can't disprove something that hasn't happen. tongue twister.
the future isn't set yet. that comment set me off lol for real. you can't call something bull until it happens. to me it felt like you called the mayan idoits. maybe the person who wrote that comment didn't mean it that way, and you do have free speech, but i've the free speech too to say, fuck that. the mayans were very advanced people when white men were still living in caves. the don't believe the media or hollywood hype. and you've too becareful which books you do read, 'cause spreadin lies is the enemies' game. it's a very old trick that they're still using. so yea, back to the comment

and there is LOL.
you do support that quote even do' you might not have written, and i wonder if y'all so called mexicans (i know y'all mexican, but just because we're the same don't mean yall my brother ay) i wonder if y'all two idoits are suppose to be reppin' us mexicans in some uptown office. or teachers in a school. 'cause that mean you're part of the disease that is dumbin' down students in schools.

Twenty years ago who would believe in clones actually being real? you know they testing on humans. you know the military is paying for it.

the internet. mirco chips in the body. you can watch cable shows on your cell phone.

the future isn't set.

barack is gonna win the election. he is the black pope. kobe bryant scored 81 points on his 666th game. Pope Benedict is 80 years old right now, his birthday is in april.

in sept, 11, 1991, bush sr, address the nation by callin' this the start of the new world order. on sept 11, 2001 the twin towers fall, and Bush Jr. afterwards declares the world will no longer be the same. tells nations of the world you either if us or against us. 9/11 was a inside job. and government is tapping your phones, and are already putting in the works of a mirco chip in your hands.

the twenty-two chapters of the bible tells of fake jews. that is happening right now in palestine. the ppl of Jesus blood are being killed off right now as we speak. right now a pregnant woman dies a checkpoint because the israel guards refused her passage simply because of her skin and religion. even black jews are treatin' bad there, and christians. yes christians. and the star of david have nothing to do with david. solomon did used the sign at his end of days when he turn his back on the God he was raised on. The star has 6 points. if you count all the points you will get 6-6-6 three times.

the ice age is bringin' brought on by the sun. on feb., 18 2008, Alan Caruba reported this

"To suggest that humans actually cause climate change is such idiocy that the Earth itself reminds us daily of our vulnerabilities. The news is full of tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, and wildfires.

"Large numbers of scientists have sold their soul to the global warming lies in order to receive millions in research grants, but increasingly other scientists have been coming forth to tell the truth. On March 2-4, several hundred will convene in New York for the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change to offer papers and serve on panels disputing and debunking the global warming hoax.

"At the very moment the Earth is on the cusp of what is likely to be a very long cooling and possibly a full scale repeat of the last Ice Age, all the engines of government, nationally and internationally, are trying to inhibit the discovery, extraction, and use of energy reserves that will be needed to cope with climate changes that will impact millions and, ultimately, billions of people.

"What controls the Earth's climate? The Sun!"

http://www.anxietycenter.com/climate/main.htm

and there is this too by in a interview with Dr. Arthur Robinson by William F. Jasper for The New American:

The New American: "Al Gore also says that the UN’s IPCC has spoken, and the debate is over, because there is a consensus. What do you say to that?"

Dr. Robinson: "Right now the UN claims that they have about 2,500 people involved in this and about 600 scientists seriously involved. This is what Al Gore would point to today.

"We have more than 22,000 scientist signers of our global-warming petition who’ve looked at the issue and concluded essentially the opposite of these United Nations people."

TNA: "Allowing the UN to take over the world’s energy would have a big effect on our higher standard of living, would it not?"

Dr. Robinson: "The power to tax and ration energy is the power to control the world — to have life and death control over every human being on the planet. No government should ever have this power. The United Nations-IPCC process is not about the climate or saving the environment. It is about power and money — lots of it.

"If the misuse and falsification of the scientific method that drives the human-caused global-warming mania succeeds, it will cause the greatest acts of human genocide the world has ever known. It must be stopped."

Dr. Arthur Robinson is a professor of chemistry and is
cofounder of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine,
which was created in 1980 to conduct basic and applied
research in subjects applicable to increasing the quality,
quantity, and length of human life. As part of his work,
he edits the newsletter Access to Energy.

See entire interview of Dr. Arthur Robinson by William F. Jasper

http://thenewamerican.com/node/7009#SlideFrame_1

and reason i bring this up 'cause 2012 has been mention by these scienists and reporters.

14 Feb 08 - "The sun has gone quiet. Really quiet. With the exception of the briefly increased solar wind from a coronal hole, there is almost no significant solar activity.

"It is normal for our sun to have quiet periods between solar cycles, but we’ve seen months and months of next to nothing, and the start of Solar cycle 24 seems to have materialized (as first reported here) then abruptly disappeared. The reverse polarity sunspot that signaled the start of cycle 24 on January 4th, dissolved within two days after that.

"But the real news is just how quiet the suns magnetic field has been in the past couple of years. From the data provided by NOAA’s Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC) you can see just how little magnetic field activity there has been

"We saw a single reversed polarity high latitude sunspot on January 4th, 2008, which would signal the start of a new cycle 24, which was originally predicted to have started last March and expected to peak in
2012.

So far the sun doesn’t seem to have restarted its normal upwards climb.

"Given the current quietness of the sun and it’s magnetic field, combined with the late start to cycle 24 with even possibly a false start, it appears that the sun has slowed it’s internal dynamo to a similar level such as was seen during the Dalton Minimum. One of the things about the Dalton Minimum was that it started with a skipped solar cycle, which also coincided with a very long solar cycle 4 from 1784-1799. The longer our current cycle 23 lasts before we see a true ramp up of cycle 24, the greater chance it seems then that cycle 24 will be a low one.

"No wonder there is so much talk recently about global cooling. I certainly hope that’s wrong, because a Dalton type solar minimum would be very bad for our world economy and agriculture.

("Very bad"? Try millions - if not billions - of people
dying of starvation.)

"NASA GISS published a release back in 2003 that agrees with the commonly accepted idea that long period trends in solar activity do affect our climate by changing the Total Solar Irradiance (TSI).

"Some say it is no coincidence that 2008 has seen a drop in global temperature as indicated by several respected temperature indexes compared to 2007, and that our sun is also quiet and still not kick starting its internal magentic dynamo."

See entire article, along with graphs and important links:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...sunspots-gone/

the future isn't set do'. i'm not prophet but the words are coming true.
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I love this discussion. So if the Maya didnt think it was going to be the end what did they think was going to happen?
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I love this discussion. So if the Maya didnt think it was going to be the end what did they think was going to happen?
ask them. search what ppl think they meant, and then let all that shit flow inside your head and then come up what ya think.

what i think? ice age. more decease in sun spots which have huge effect on our world. there is many faces of God's sons, over time, but the source is the sun, which raises in the east - easter - and week to us begin on Sun-day. there is famous youtube video about the astorolgy of religion and if you check pictures of old articts you see many pics of suns, snakes even in eyptrian religion the devil was called Set - sun set.

it take too long to explain all i think but it's better if you search for the answer through life.

the elite try their very best to keep ppl from thinkin' outside the box, have us do things that isn't healthy for us at all 'cause our purpose to them is to be serfs. ya know slaves. right now they're askin' for americans to give up their freedoms for more security. watch you to believe there is ppl out there that want to kill 'cause you've freedom that they don't have.

which is all bullshit. if a real arab terrorist blows up a bomb in America it is because u.s. policy in the middle east like torture being one of them force him to become a terrorist.

isreal has killed how many palestian babies this year? thousands? haven't been a attack in isreal all year but yet it comes right at the moment when isreal is massarcin' innocent ppl in gaza? who covers it? all the america media news.

ask yourself. when was the last time you heard about the palestian ppl's flight? when have you heard their story on american news?

think outside the box.

mine was: why would a young, college arab student strap a bomb to herself to kill white isreals?

white jews have no blood line to isreal/palestine, they're invadin' force just like all europeans have been the past 600 years. palestine is America in 1492.

so, the last chapters of the bible is comin' true (in there there is words about fake jews who help the rise of the breast) just about the time we're approachin' 2012

now nothing might happen. maybe things will get alot better, and that be good. i rather see that. don't want the wather to change at all. but i can't deny there is huge cooling happening on the earth. hopefully it is very short year one 'cause if a ice age happens. we're going to see what it like to have nothing 'cause all classes will be poor, and starving. the ppl that unite will make it do'.

i'm not phophet. but dis what they said. peace
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Old 03-10-2008, 12:00 PM   #30
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Comment: Not sure about you, but I'm getting tired of the 2012 bs. Even though I have posted some things to disprove it (especially on soy), there's those idiots that still believe in it (doubt anyone reads what I post. LOL.).

You can't disprove something that hasn't happen. tongue twister.
the future isn't set yet. that comment set me off lol for real. you can't call something bull until it happens. to me it felt like you called the mayan idoits. maybe the person who wrote that comment didn't mean it that way, and you do have free speech, but i've the free speech too to say, fuck that. the mayans were very advanced people when white men were still living in caves. the don't believe the media or hollywood hype. and you've too becareful which books you do read, 'cause spreadin lies is the enemies' game. it's a very old trick that they're still using. so yea, back to the comment
I have not said that the Mayans were idiots. I believe the Mayans were very advanced (check out all the post I posted on soychicano.com), but what most people think they know about the Mayans, is mostly wrong. I said that people who believe in the 2012 BS are idiots. If you knew, the whole 2012 thing was bs which was made up by a white guy.

Also, I can tell you didn't read the rest of my posts in which I give good info that proves life goes on beyond 2012.

Finally, what you said kind of proves what the article said which I think you didn't even read.
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