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really they should just legalize all drugs. you legalize all drugs believe me the crime rate will drop 80% in America, but it wont' happened 'cause the u.s. government especially the cia are runnin' the drugs with help of fronts of cartels to be smoke and mirrors for american public. u.s. presidents get all their money from illegal money that come from sellin' of drugs, even right now, not Iraq, but that other one Aganistan shit i mispell it newayz you won't see American troops leave that country 'cause heroin is there. kinda sad, American troops are dyin' just so heroin can be smuggle out that country, if you notice ever since the war heroin has gone up big time, especially in England.
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oh yea, they should stop drug testin' at jobs too, that's some serio bullshit right there, especially 'cause serio hard drugs only stay in your system for like six days while marijuana can be two months. which isn't fair 'cause there is nothing wrong with marijuana, i would rather see cigarettes and liquor and beers gone, that shit be killin' alot more ppl than cancer.
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I believe it should be legalized. If CA taxes it like they do cigarettes, it would boast our economy.
More tourist will come to Cali which means even more cash.
Plus there could be regulation to make sure they don't add other shit in weed.
Besides those three reasons, I think the price of weed would drop and would be affordable.
california does need some serio help, i heard that state is going third world country
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Re: Is it time to legalize it?
Originally Posted by badazzfelicianotx
really they should just legalize all drugs. you legalize all drugs believe me the crime rate will drop 80% in America.
I just quoted the first two sentences of ur post..
Do u honestly believe that by legalising all drugs or just cannabis that it will decrease the crime rate by 80%? To the drug dealers and users it will be a state of anarchy, complete freedom to sell and use as they please.
The crime rate will not decrease, the only thing that will is the arrest rate for drugs posession/intent to sell. the rate of deaths caused by drug overdoses or other drug related incidents and of course unemployment will definately increase..
I have always been against the legalisation of Marijuana, any sort of substance whether it be a natural herb or chemically created that causes hallucinations should remain illegal to everyone unless it's for medical purposes.
It will never be legalised, as unjust and pathetic any government may seem at times, we must recognise that these are the bodies we elected to represent our respected countries so they possess some sort of common sense to not give in at any stage and make it legal to basically kill yourself that way..
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Do u honestly believe that by legalising all drugs or just cannabis that it will decrease the crime rate by 80%? To the drug dealers and users it will be a state of anarchy, complete freedom to sell and use as they please.
I believe that, just look how much legal Marijuana operations in California have undercut Mexican cartel ops, even domestic ones http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...arArea;topnews. To say that there will be a state of anarchy under legalization is completely baseless and hyperbolic. All drugs where legal before 1937 and things where fine, there was a thing called personal responsibility back in the day, and the government honored it instead of trying to babysit us.
The crime rate will not decrease, instead the arrest rate for drugs posession/intent to sell will definitely increase, not to mention the rate of deaths caused by drug overdoses or other drug related incidents and of course unemployment..
How is that even possible under legalization? The point is to not spend billions of tax dollars incarcerating people who have a very real medical disorder. The issue of drug use is a health issue, not a criminal one. Seriously, if people die from an overdose on meth, me and millions of other taxpayers don't really give a rat's ass about them. It's like natural eugenics, the stupid ones kill themselves and that means less people to worry about for job competition.
I have always been against the legalisation of Marijuana, any sort of substance whether it be a natural herb or chemically created that causes hallucinations should remain illegal to everyone unless it's for medical purposes.
Well, Alcohol and Tobacco are legal, and are booming money making industries that have killed billions more people than Marijuana. Tobacco alone kills 40,000 people a year whilst MJ has killed 0 in all of human history. Don't you see something wrong with that picture? Do you even know why Marijuana was made illegal in the first place, definitely not because it causes "hallucinations" (which it doesn't, I smoke the herb everyday, I should know) or is harmful to society. However, my biggest contention with this assertion of yours is the intent to control people's bodies and minds. You or any government panel have no right to tell me what I can put into my body, that's what it comes down to, freedom, and we're lacking in it. Seriously, making drugs illegal sets a precedent for the government to meddle into all kinds of personal affairs of their citizenry. It isn't right, it never was.
It will never be legalised, as unjust and pathetic any government may seem at times, we must recognise that these are the bodies we elected to represent our respected countries so they possess some sort of common sense to not give in at any stage and make it legal to basically kill yourself that way..
Oh it will be legalized, the movement is like a steam roller, unstoppable and already deeply permeated within American culture. The road to legalization is there, now we gotta' drive on it. Also, most of our "elected" leaders are a bunch of baby boomer douchebags who don't know squat about drug policy.
Even thousands of law enforcement men and women disagree with the drug laws. Check out www.LEAP.cc
Prohibition makes absolutely no sense, and I will vote in any representative who has the balls to stand up against such draconian laws.
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here just to gain a better understanding of the issue at hand.
Originally Posted by EpioN
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I believe that, just look how much legal Marijuana operations in California have undercut Mexican cartel ops, even domestic ones http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...arArea;topnews. To say that there will be a state of anarchy under legalization is completely baseless and hyperbolic. All drugs where legal before 1937 and things where fine, there was a thing called personal responsibility back in the day, and the government honored it instead of trying to babysit us.
Although I agree that legalizing marijuana would have many benefits, I'll have to be suspicious of the idea of legalizing all drugs. First, you assume people these days are responsible enough to take care of themselves and stay away from harmful substances. That is a fallacy. American society is not the same as "back in the day". People are not the same as in 1937. Morals, common sense, and standing up for what's right have pretty much disappeared from our culture. Drugs are glorified in the media, which unfortunately plays a huge role in American society.
Originally Posted by EpioN
How is that even possible under legalization? The point is to not spend billions of tax dollars incarcerating people who have a very real medical disorder. The issue of drug use is a health issue, not a criminal one. Seriously, if people die from an overdose on meth, me and millions of other taxpayers don't really give a rat's ass about them. It's like natural eugenics, the stupid ones kill themselves and that means less people to worry about for job competition.
And what of those who do commit violent crimes while under the influence of meth? What of those who commit crimes because of meth?
Originally Posted by EpioN
Well, Alcohol and Tobacco are legal, and are booming money making industries that have killed billions more people than Marijuana. Tobacco alone kills 40,000 people a year whilst MJ has killed 0 in all of human history. Don't you see something wrong with that picture? Do you even know why Marijuana was made illegal in the first place, definitely not because it causes "hallucinations" (which it doesn't, I smoke the herb everyday, I should know) or is harmful to society. However, my biggest contention with this assertion of yours is the intent to control people's bodies and minds. You or any government panel have no right to tell me what I can put into my body, that's what it comes down to, freedom, and we're lacking in it. Seriously, making drugs illegal sets a precedent for the government to meddle into all kinds of personal affairs of their citizenry. It isn't right, it never was.
Tobacco doesn't make people do stupid shit like cocaine, pcp, meth, acid, etc do. When has someone stolen from or murdered another because they were "under the influence" of tobacco? People commit crimes while smoking cigs, sure, but they don't simply BECAUSE of it. Now I can't say the same about alcohol, but people are arrested for drunkenness and the effects of it all the time. It's a legal "drug", too. See the flaw in your argument?
Sometimes, people need some form of "control". Think of how the world would be if there were no forms of control. No laws, government, morals, etc. You honestly believe people are going to naturally be civilized? That's not how man works.
Originally Posted by EpioN
Oh it will be legalized, the movement is like a steam roller, unstoppable and already deeply permeated within American culture. The road to legalization is there, now we gotta' drive on it. Also, most of our "elected" leaders are a bunch of baby boomer douchebags who don't know squat about drug policy.
Let it be legalized. So long as it's regulated I have no problem. I honestly believe we'll see it happen sometimes within our lives, but probably not anytime soon. A lot can happen in twenty years; history has shown that. I figure we both have got at least sixty years of life (if we died a natural death) left.
Originally Posted by EpioN
Prohibition makes absolutely no sense, and I will vote in any representative who has the balls to stand up against such draconian laws.
It makes sense to those who set the laws in place. Someone always benefits.
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here just to gain a better understanding of the issue at hand.
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Originally Posted by Vain
Although I agree that legalizing marijuana would have many benefits, I'll have to be suspicious of the idea of legalizing all drugs. First, you assume people these days are responsible enough to take care of themselves and stay away from harmful substances. That is a fallacy. American society is not the same as "back in the day". People are not the same as in 1937. Morals, common sense, and standing up for what's right have pretty much disappeared from our culture. Drugs are glorified in the media, which unfortunately plays a huge role in American society.
You assume all American society will be hopped up on drugs if legal when many reports suggest there will be no significant increase in drug use. Better yet, resources can be put into prevention which has proven to be more effective than incarceration. You're right, we aren't like back in the day, we aren't as insensitive, accepting of racism and religious bigotry, or afraid of science. We're actually a much more mature global society, we can handle all legalized drugs, and there is much evidence and reporting to suggest legalizing all drugs is a much better move than keeping them illegal. By the way, the media has a pro drug war slant.
Originally Posted by Vain
And what of those who do commit violent crimes while under the influence of meth? What of those who commit crimes because of meth?
We'll at least be able to identify and treat these people under a legal system. They can have their fix and be contained at the same time, just like some programs in the Netherlands. Again, addicts will not for a significant threat under a legal system, since patients won't have the fear of being arrested. Again, a health problem, not a criminal one. Prohibition actually causes the crime, ironic isn't it?
Originally Posted by Vain
Tobacco doesn't make people do stupid shit like cocaine, pcp, meth, acid, etc do. When has someone stolen from or murdered another because they were "under the influence" of tobacco? People commit crimes while smoking cigs, sure, but they don't simply BECAUSE of it. Now I can't say the same about alcohol, but people are arrested for drunkenness and the effects of it all the time. It's a legal "drug", too. See the flaw in your argument?
Yet tobacco still kills more people per year than all hard drugs and alcohol combined, simply because it is a past time for most people. It's a silent killer, with a glamorous image. Again I doubt hard drugs would be a problem under legalization because efforts would be put into preventative care instead on simple jail time for "offenders". Police resources would also more effectively combat crime that is caused by drug intoxication. It's a win win for everyone.
Originally Posted by Vain
Sometimes, people need some form of "control". Think of how the world would be if there were no forms of control. No laws, government, morals, etc. You honestly believe people are going to naturally be civilized? That's not how man works.
I would never agree with this statement, not in a million years. We have endured as a species because we are just that, naturally civilized. The majority of humanity is innocent and good natured. It's a few inhuman pieces of shit at the top that gives the perception that we humans are savage by nature. We're not, or else our evolution would have taken us to a more primitive state. People don't need control, they need freedom, that doesn't give us the right to hurt others, but it's a sacrifice we make because freedom, overall is far more important than a few minor security issues. We can't always prevent bad things from happening, but incarcerating people because they're trying to chemically escape a shitty situation is beyond stupid and irresponsible.
Originally Posted by Vain
Let it be legalized. So long as it's regulated I have no problem. I honestly believe we'll see it happen sometimes within our lives, but probably not anytime soon. A lot can happen in twenty years; history has shown that. I figure we both have got at least sixty years of life (if we died a natural death) left.
I say within 15 years, too many pro Marijuana advocates worldwide.
Originally Posted by Vain
It makes sense to those who set the laws in place. Someone always benefits.
Well guess who benefits off Marijuana prohibition? Just to name a few, there's Kimberly Clark, DuPont, Dow, oil industries, prison guard unions, the DEA, Bayer, the cotton industry, the plastic industry, textile industries, and "tough on crime" politicians.
They don't care if millions of lives are ruined every year worldwide because of prohibition, it's all about protecting their trade and bottom line.
I never said “all American society”, but no doubt a percentage would take advantage if drugs that were once illegal one day became free for the taking. If you’re so confident that nothing at all will go wrong, then show me these “reports” that will predict the future of America. I think it would be a smarter idea to make sure we have such resources in place to help addicts overcome their addictions before making anything legal. Right now, I don’t think we have everything we need to make such a drastic move. What a lot of people are doing is counting the chickens before they hatch. No, the media (popular culture) actually glorifies drug use, especially cocaine, which has been in many popular movies over the years. It is the drug of the rich and classy.
Like I said before, we need to make sure we have such programs in place in order to be confident we can legalize all drugs and know we can handle the consequences. Maybe violent criminals who commit murders and other felonies can spend time in a rehab and when they’re cured then spend time in prison? I would like to see something similar happen in the US. It would definitely be progressive.
Yes, I see what you mean, but here’s the thing about tobacco: if someone develops cancer from using the drug and dies, then it was their choice. Unless we’re talking about second hand smoking, then the user is only hurting himself/herself. And you’re right, it is glamorized by popular culture. However, there are also many anti-smoking commercials, programs, and products out there to help people become less dependent on it or quit completely. People as a whole are well aware of the dangers of tobacco. If all drugs were legalized, I’d expect similar efforts to make aware the dangers. Here’s my real concern: let’s say one day all drugs are legal, there are programs to help addicts, yadayadayada. Yet, there will still be problems creating addicts. People from broken homes are usually those who turn to alcohol and hard drugs. So, we have to get to the root of the problem to eliminate drug use. It’s also a social problem. The poor have it bad in the US; don’t let our first world status fool you. They can’t be simply ignored.
No. Even the first humans had very primitive forms of control. There were leaders of hunting groups, village elders who constructed punishments, and then small governments. People can’t just do whatever they want. That’s where I’ll disagree with liberals (fiercely). Why does brownpride have an admin and mods? Why are there forum rules? They’re not there just for looks. I guess what I really want is to know what exactly freedom means to you? I think we are experiencing miscommunication and that's why we are disagreeing here. I’m sure you don’t want to live in a country without a government at all. That's pretty extreme, even by your standards.
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