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Even though what this blogger said on XXL can be considered racist, and I don't doubt for one second that he's a racist, when it comes to latinos in general, especially Mexican, but let's get real here. All of this self-righteous posturing by many of the racists on this thread, concerning their supposed righteous indignation and hatred for black folks, because of our collectively “fucking up,” when it comes to the issues of mexicans, is straight out bull.
Simply put, these folks on this thread are cursing black folks for not being sensitive to the issues of mexicans, well let me flip it around, and ask: HOW MANY MEXICANS ARE SENSITIVE TO THE ISSUES THAT PERSONALLY AFFECT BLACK FOLKS?
Think about it. If you say that black folks are constantly dissing latinos, and their issues, then would it be fair to say then that if an issue arose concerning black folks, that latinos would automatically be sympathetic?
How about in the early 90’s when the Haitian refugees were trying to find sanctuary in this country, were many of you sympathetic to their cause, or did you just ignore it, or fluff it off as a case of: we don’t need anymore niggers in this country? Or did some of you get all nationalistic, in the case of aztlanistas, who believe that this land is only for mexicans/chicanos/indigenous folks only. And if you do believe this, where does that place other latinos who may be strictly mulatto (black and white, with a little indigenous blood), etc.
Or how about slavery in Darfur, or the genocide in Rwanda? How many latinos were sympathetic towards these issues, or did you guys take the position: “ONE LESS GROUP OF NIGGERS WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER FOR ALL WE CARE!”
Or how about when black folks fight against police brutality, because of unjustified racist police assaults? How many of you sympathize, or join black folks in their protests, or do you say amongst yourselves: “Oh well, just another nigger dead!”
I can go on and on with this theme, but my point is, it is normal for folks to take pride in their tribe, and to be exclusively concerned about the issues that effect their group, and in the end, why should black people be any different? As a matter of fact, in many ways, we ought to be more concerned with our people’s issues, than what we are already.
Are you telling me that on various latino websites and/or chicano/Mexican websites, that black folks and their issues, aren’t condemned with the same arguments that white supremacists hurls at black folks!
All this about black folks beginning to fuck up, or always fucking up, therefore they get what they deserve from latinos, again, is bullshit, because it outright and explicitly states that black folks have to walk on egg shells concerning the issues of latinos, and must walk lock, stock and barrel, with everything latinos agree on, or face dire consequences.
This engenders a slave and slave master relationship, that’s not good for black folks, seeing as how many latinos are indifferent to the struggles and concerns of black folks anyways, and will themselves use white racist arguments, or come off as being a racist (similar to the black blogger, only against latinos, and more specifically chicanos), when it comes to them addressing black folks as a whole and their concerns.
Not only that, if black folks were as bad as many of you racist mexicans suggest, then why is it that at certain black colleges and universities, these black administrations have put forth scholarships, in order to recruit latinos to their campuses (and trust me, many have taken advantage of this): would latinos do so if the situation were in reverse? Or how about many black folks in the political sphere, such as the Congressional Black Caucus, who have very liberal views concerning immigration, in comparison to their white counterparts? Would the Latino Congressional Caucus be as liberal and sympathetic, if it were African immigrants, or Haitian immigrants, trying to enter into the country illegally?
Or how about black scholars, intellectuals, and the average rank and file black public figures, who attack, and bemoan those within their own black community, who just have bad thoughts against latinos, while accusing them of being bigots similar to racist white people, while extolling latinos in a glorious way? Would latinos, in any of these instances do the same in reverse?
I think we all know the answer to that, and it is NO!
So for you folks to get on this thread, and attack all black people as being racist and insensitive to your issues, while threatening black existence, when your people as a collective group aren’t all that passionate about our concerns and issues of survival, smacks of great hypocrisy.
Furthermore, and I’ll close on this-there are more white people who are bellyaching about illegal immigration, and definitely have the power to enforce laws, statutes, and physical force, in order to thwart illegal immigration, more so than black folks can ever dream about.
I can go further with this, but will do so, after a rebuttal…
shut up!!! the question?? are you backin this article or not? sounds like you are. & if one person here is saying Fuck Niggers.. dont take it as our community as a whole.. i'm sayin fuck this nigger ! & what.. as ignorant & racist as it sounds fuck him..& fuck you if you back that article, first off yes we might not be sensitive to their or your "issues" which are commonly the same as ours, but we are sensitive when you or they or one is addressin "our" issues in that manner... it's like if i wrote an article about welfare, unemployment, etc & addressed solely towards blacks.. point is. no one is really as a community ever sensitive of another community's or "tribes" issues..but to address them in this fashion in a public forum.. is close to a hate crime.. & words of anger are obviously going to be displayed
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I didnt read your entire post (rev) but skimmed thru and noticed you kept saying how Mexicans dont care about Black issues of the past and present when the exact same thing can be said about Blacks. I mean hell, look at the Civil Rights movement. I know my history real well and I know alot of Black activists didnt ever reach out to Mexicans even when the opportunity presented itself, so dont turn yourselves into the victims.
Even to this day when hate crimes are perpetrated against Chicanos or anyone of color who's not Black, I dont see them backing us up for shit.
(First off to Cali Pac, if you take my calm and rational demeanor, as a sign of someone who is weak, or someone who doesn’t have the stomach to rip into that ass, while using color metaphors in the process, then I’m sorry, you’ve come across the wrong MAYATE-ya’ dig. I’m not saying anything specifically, but I am saying something…)
Okay, in summary, even if I were against illegal immigration, it doesn’t mean that I am a racist-or is this position you guys are taking? I mean, were you, and are you for, the immigration of Haitian residents into this country, who seek to have a better life, compared to what they experience in their own country? If an amnesty, or bill was passed, that allowed a huge influx of Haitians and African to come in this country, would you two actively support such measures, or even passively support such measures? I DON’T THINK SO! And as a result, WOULD THAT MAKE YOU TWO RACISTS, BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE AT HAND?
You can not support an issue, per se, and still not be racist. HOWEVER, don’t pretend that you’re blind, because what did I say in the first paragraph of my previous post? I ADMITTED THAT THIS BLOGGER WAS A RACIST! And not only that, I even admitted that this fool was racist against latinos-ESPECIALLY MEXICANS!
And I also agree with the fact that he put forth his views in a racist manner, that was inflammatory and unnecessary.
When I was referring to folks taking interest in their own issues, I was responding to a fool on this thread, concerning black folks constantly “fucking up,” and in a threatening manner, implied that black folks will later be dealt with by latinos, for this “fucking up,” in the very near future. This compelled me to outright defend black folks, by highlighting the fact that every group, including latinos, look out for their own people’s interest, and that in doing so, it doesn’t make black folks an anomaly, but human, regardless of how imperfect the situation is.
You tell me that black folks during the Civil Rights movement never reached out to Chicanos, well maybe because in the deep south, in states like Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, North Carolina, etc.-there weren’t that many mexicans. And maybe it was because that in those southern states, where there was a huge population of black folks, with very little, if any mexicans, MEXICANS WERE CONSIDERED WHITE, AND WEREN’T SEGREGATED WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS, NOR WERE THEY BARRED ENTRY INTO PUBLIC ESTABLISHMENTS!
Oh don’t get me wrong, there were places in the southwest, where mexicans experienced minimal amounts, but serious forms of segregation, while being barred, in certain districts, from public places of accommodation, including public schools, but it wasn’t as severely intense as what black folks experienced, not only throughout the south, BUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY! (Blacks were even segregated against in northern states as well.)
During this time, black folk’s aaaaaaaaaallll throughout the South were discriminated against, even in regards to not having the right to vote, as well as in many northern states. But can we say that all throughout the districts and states of the southwest, mexicans faced a similar, intensified form of discrimination? I think not.
When mexicans were protesting all throughout the southwest within the last century, concerning segregated schools, having the right to serve on juries, and having access to public accommodations, were they likewise assisting black folks with their struggles in regards to these same areas. I mean, folks are always talking about what black folks didn’t do during the late 50’s and 60’s, in regards to assisting mexicans with their struggles, well, what were mexicans doing in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s, when they had state laws assisting them with their rights, in regards to helping black folks? NOT A THING!
(At least the NAACP filed an amicus brief in the Westminster v. Mendez case; at least black colleges and universities allowed indigenous folks entry into their colleges; etc.)
The laws that mexicans had helped to pass, in regards to discrimination and jim-crow, were laws that helped mexicans only, and specifically, and not black folks, or anyone else for that matter. Not only that, these laws were only passed in certain states, and not even on a national level.
However, by the time the 50’s rolled around, the only group of people that were stringently barred from public places, from voting, from entering into certain educational establishments, WERE BLACK FOLKS, AND NOT HARDLY MEXICANS (with very few exceptions, I might add). It was black folks who after helping “save the world,” by “fighting for democracy,” during WW2, still didn’t, in many places throughout the south, have the right to vote, or sit anywhere on the bus, etc.-BUT NOT MEXICANS!!
As I said before, mexicans at the time were considered white, and the battles they faced at the time with white people, were mainly internecine, but it wasn’t that way for black folks. Black folks were placed in a special category and it showed, by way of how we were perceived, and how we were discriminated against.
This is why during WW1 and WW2, mexicans were allowed entry into white military units, because they were considered “white”, whereas blacks were segregated into their own units. As I said in my previous post, mexicans who fought in both world wars, were never subjected to being lynched in their uniforms, with their stripes taken off of their uniform, as soon as they returned home, and after fighting for their country-BUT BLACKS DID EXPERIENCE THIS!!
Mexicans were never subjected to having to give up their seats on trains, and move to the backs of trains, so as to accomodate German POW’s-BUT BLACKS DID EXPERIENCE THIS!!
I can go on, and on, with the distinctions in our similar struggles, however what I’m setting up is prologue, I guess, to really say that by the time the Civil Rights movement came around, besides bilingual education, and immigration issues that your people faced-IT WAS HIGH TIME FOR BLACK FOLKS TO DEAL AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN ISSUES, and besides that-THEY HAD A FULL PLATE OF THEIR OWN!
Not only that, the laws that were passed during the Civil Rights movement, that dealt with public accommodations, interstate travel, the right to vote, fair housing laws, not only were passed, so as to effect certain jurisdictions or states, but they were passed to effect the NATION AS A WHOLE! In other words, they were passed on a national level, therefore stomping out any forms of discrimination that may have been left over, or misapplied, up until that time.
With that said, one can argue that the Civil Rights Movement, even though it was spearheaded by black folks, and originally designed for black folks, out of necessity, it nevertheless produced benefits in housing, education (student loans and the like came out of this era under the Johnson administration), ethnic studies, public accommodations, voting, etc.-FOR EVERYONE ON A NATIONAL SCALE; as opposed to local laws and statutes that were passed, that specifically and directly benefited MEXICANS ONLY.
So in the end, all this talk about black folks, and accusing black folks, of not being interested in the issues of mexicans, while using the Civil Rights movement of the late 50’s and 60’s as a whipping boy, so as to beat black folks into black guilt (the way many of your brothers are doing, in regards to hip-hop), is bogus and vile. Why? Because mexicans equally, never reached out to us during their movement, and never wanted to reach out to us, and we may fools for a lot things, but we’re not damn fools. We know that your people never really liked us, and thought that they were superior to us, to where they didn’t want to meld their issues with ours.
Again, at least the laws that black folks helped to pass through their movement, affected everyone on a national scale, once they were passed, but can we say the same in reverse? I think not.
Anyway, having said that, I personally am against illegal immigration, but I am for amnesty, and giving out of driver’s license and that sort of thing. Now mind you, this isn’t put out there by me, in order to pacify folks, but rather, I’m expressing how I truly feel on the matter, so either hate me, or shoot me.
And if folks still want more from me on this issue, short of cutting my wrist, then I will just have to tell them to KISS MY ASS!
I’m out until Monday, where I’ll give my rebuttal then…
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